Tuesday, September 09, 2008

Running it up... a Cane's take

I swear to God, I was done with this topic. The game was 72 hours ago. The matter at hand was discussed, both sides spoke their mind and it seemed like a done deal.

'Til Tuesday when Pat Dooley and Israel Gutierrez decided to chime in on a subject discussed ad nauseam on Sunday and Monday.

Dooley's article, "UM's Shannon should watch game tape" and Gutierrez's piece, "Shannon's rant unnecessary" both ran this morning and had Gators abroad forwarding both articles as if they were gospel.

For those who missed it, the No. 5 Florida Gators beat the Miami Hurricanes, 26-3 on Saturday night. UM hung tough, fell late and UF pulled away after a few questionable calls went their way.

The point of contention; a late field goal by Florida with :25 left on the clock, a half-hearted handshake from Randy Shannon when he met Urban Meyer midfield and Shannon's anti-Gator rant Sunday morning when the dust had settled.

Dooley and Gutierrez put together different, yet similar anti-Shannon/pro-Meyer articles, which caused dissent among Canes enthusiasts and unity amongst Gators.

"You see, even these writers are calling Shannon a whiner. Florida was in the right!"

If the two were unbiased parties, I'd have let it slide. Such isn't the case. Dooley is a long-time beat writer for the Gainesville Sun, while Gutierrez writes for the Miami Herald, yet sports a journalism degree from the University of Florida. Gator fans nationwide have been forwarding these articles around as their form of "proof" that Meyer did the right thing.

There might've been some valid points in all their drivel, but both media men left out key details and missed Shannon's point, prompting this Cane's rebuttal.

Dooley wants Shannon to 'get a grip' and encouraged readers to fire a block of cheese to the Miami skipper, so he'd have something to go with his "whine".

Shannon is taking grief for a post game presser where he made the statement, "Sometimes when you do things and people see what kind of person you really are, you turn a lot of people off. Take from that what you want. (The field goal) helped us more than you will ever know."

Meyer explains his final shot at three, stating that he wanted his young kicker to get game experience before Florida headed to Knoxville after this week's bye.

Ahh, yes. Nothing like a meaningless kick up 20, in front of your home crowd with :25 on the game clock to get your guy ready for a meaningful kick in front of over 100K at Neyland.

For the record, I don't have an issue with tacking on three extra points if you think it'll help you in the polls. Welcome to big time college football and top five rankings. Bring it on.

My problem lies in keeping your Heisman winning quarterback, Heisman candidate receiver and entire first string offense in the game after getting the ball back with 1:56 remaining and trying to fire one in the end zone on 2nd and 1, trying to make it 30-3.

Try that stunt against an SEC foe or a coach with less class and Florida will watch Mr. Heisman leave the game on a stretcher. Some coaches are classless enough to consider it 'open season' for their defense, regarding a starting quarterback left in the game with under 120 seconds and hucking it towards the end zone while sitting on an almost-three touchdown lead.

What's more important, keeping Tebow healthy or trying to dupe voters into thinking 23-3 was really 26-3 or 30-3? It's all moot if your star player gets hurt.

Florida took over possession from the Miami 16-yard line with 1:56 remaining and attempted two passes before a 3rd and 1 run went for a four-yard loss. If it was all about the field goal, run three times and kick on 4th down.

A week ago, Miami is up 45-3 with 6:25 remaining, a third-string quarterback and fourth-string running back are in the game and the Canes are pounding the rock. Five of the six plays were on the ground and the other, a two-yard pass. One rush went for 31 yards and from the one-yard line with 2:33 remaining, Miami punched it in with it's fifth rush of the drive.

Pull the first string when you have a big lead and let your second string try to run your first team offense. Put your Heisman trophy winner back in the box and play with another toy.

The win was in the bag. Insert the second string team, rest your star players and run your second and third teamers, with the intent of scoring.

It's called Sportsmanship:101, though neither orange or blue writer sold it that way, going as far to say Shannon ran up the score in week one.

Dooley twisted those facts and some others, using them to fit his Gator agenda; most notably playing the 'age' card. All the talk was about Miami's youth, but this Gainesville Sun reporter used his crack skills (i.e. - opened a media guide) and pointed out that the Canes were actually the younger team.

True, Miami started 13 seniors and juniors to Florida's 12 sophomore starters. The Canes had four seniors on defense and eight total senior starters, while the Gators sport no defensive starters.

The U was younger, on paper, but green where it mattered most - at quarterback and wideout.

Tim Tebow is year three into Meyer's offense and working on timing with wideouts. Three years ago, Robert Marve is in 11th grade, balling at Plant high. This year's freshman receivers were playing 10th grade ball when Percy Harvin stepped on campus as a freshman and started to dazzle.

While both defenses came to play, you can't trivialize the impact Heisman-winning upperclassmen will have on an offense, compared to a r-freshman taking his first ever snaps behind center.

No comparison, Pat.

Another Dooley cheap shot came when he boasted that Shannon should "know the rules" before he complained about Carl Moore's overturned catch.

Shannon argued that if you're body is out of bounds, you're out of bounds. He also mentioned getting both feet inbounds, which is incorrect in the college game (only one foot is necessary.)

As for knowing the rules, Dooley might want to do a little homework of his own.

According to the NCAA rules on "Catch, Interception, Recovery", Article 7 - section 2 states, "Loss of ball simultaneous to returning to the ground is not a catch, interception or recovery."

Moore left the ground for a the ball and while his elbow might or might not have landed in bounds, he obviously lost the ball 'simultaneous to returning to the ground.' It was a no-catch and the call on the field stands if anyone other than SEC officials are working that game.

Both Dooley and Gutierrez chastised Shannon for his Sunday morning rant, after sleeping on it and still feeling the same way - yet both writers did the exact same, penning their pieces for Tuesday's edition and continuing to beat a dead horse. Oh, the hypocrisy.

Miami and Florida will continue to see this situation with their own brand of tunnel-vision. There is no gray area when you're on the winning side versus the losing one. We can agree on that much.

But it seems Gator faithful - and their sportswriters - are missing the key component. The three points aren't the point of contention. It was the 'pour it on' mentality with a Heisman-winning quarterback going for six and throwing twice on that final drive, instead of inserting that second-string, attempting to run the ball and settling for three.

Meyer can rant and rave all day about helping his kicker, but running the ball late might've been a more prudent choice being that UF's three tailbacks rushed nine times for a total of seven yards. The running game needed more of a tune up than a kicker who already drilled three extra points on the night.

Curious to see how the football gods let this one play out. Oh the irony if Florida misses an important kick at Tennessee next week, or somewhere down the road this season.

23 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone SHUT UP! What happened to "NO excuses"? Have some dignity we lost they were the better team on that day. I don't even see it as running up the score we had the best team in the state of Florida and a national tile contender on the ropes for 3 Quarters, We had the Heisman trophy winner Confused and looking ordinary. They were scared of a team that had 5 wins a year ago! If I was Meyer (thank god i am not) I would do the same thing. Why run to run out the clock when you haven't been able to run all game. If that is running up the score then we are as guilty as any of doing it. Just what comes to mind is Ed Reed Stripping his own player against Boston college and returning it for a TD when the INT Iced the game. We didn't need the points, A knee wins that game. that may be a bad example but you get the drift. It is our job to stop them and we didn't you think they want to see us next year or even in a bowl this year, Didn't think so. we want respect we have to take it.

Cane in tally

8:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is all drivel. Vols are next.

8:37 AM  
Blogger Gamal said...

GAME OVER!!! Remember, it is now over. Stop the whining (Shannon and whomever). I guess I’m too use to the old Miami Cane days. We did no whining or apologizing, for that matter, in those days. All this bitching over nothing is getting to be too much now! We lost already.

As a Canes fan, I admired Jimmy Johnson and hell even Steve Spurrier. In those days, you lined up against UM or UF, you know you’re going to get you’re a$$ kicked (score ran up, you name it). Especially if you don’t do what you’re suppose to do for ALL 60 minutes. Stopping them on defense or score on them on offense.

I’m sure there’s an example out there somewhere of teams coming back even down 3 touchdowns with only 3-5 minutes left. With that in mind, an offense has to keep trying to score or put the game out of reach. What exactly is “out of reach”, well that’s the gray area that is big time college football.

But I agree, if I were a coach I would not have Baby Jesus (Tebow) in the game at that point. That was Urban’s decision, so be it. We all have an opinion of what his intent was in doing so. Just speaks to why I don’t care for him as a coach. Spurrier was an a$$hole and didn’t care who knew it. You don’t like it, try and beat him. I personally, Hurricane and all, respect him for that. This Urban joke is just that. He reminds me so much of Dennis Erickson. Let me not even go there right now.

So the point is fudge it, a 1 point loss or 23 point loss shouldn’t matter to UM as it’s still our loss. It obviously matters to Urban. But he’s not our concern. Right now Texas A&M is. Our players know regardless of the score, they hung with the Gators. Take this new knowledge and confidence and go kick some A&M butt. Hell, run up the score if you wish as well. They need to STOP yoU.

As for Gutierrez, I mean come on, what the buck is he really doing writing for the Miami Herald. His coverage of our local teams just leaves one to wonder. Don’t get me wrong, be objective (which he’s not). If we suck, we suck. And if we’re good, we’re good. But he writes with such disdain for UM it’s not even funny. If he really wants to advance his career, move back to Gainesville and write for the Sun since they seem to love his articles so much.

Again, we’re getting real U characters/players back on the field. I am beyond impressed with Spence / Marve / Bailey / Forston / B. Harris. I doubt any of these guys can define excuse, much less make one. GO CANES!!!

9:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We did need the points when Ed Reed took off with the INT. They were about to score and take the lead you Tally Moron

10:32 AM  
Anonymous DelrayCane said...

AllCanes - great article/commentary. I completely agree with you and posted similar on Canespace earlier today before I was referred here (sorry, hadn't gotten to your link in my favorites yet).

Hoping I'm not late, but did anyone see this editorial from Israel Gutierrez?
UM football coach Randy Shannon doesn't score points with his argument (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/um/story/679737.html).

This is the same guy that just a couple weeks ago wrote an article about how the Canes are now irrelevant? Please tell me why this clown is still employed at the Herald outside of the mailroom. Irrelevant? Is that why the Canes were the primetime ESPN game? Irrelevant? Is that why ESPN went to Canesville with GameDay for a CANES vs. gators game? Irrelevant? Is that why he felt it necessary to devote another article to the Canes?

He ends this most recent article with, "Unfortunately, (Shannon) will have to wait until 2013 for his next real shot at the Gators. His most recent shot at Meyer can only be considered another loss." Now, I realize that inflammatory garbage and drama sells (e.g. MTV, TMZ, etc...) but maybe, just maybe, it's Izzy that's making himself irrelevant with these unfounded, ridiculous articles. People can pick up a copy of anything printed by American Media if they want to read schlock and stories lacking true substance or applicability to anything realistic.

Thoughts?

GO CANES!

Posted by: DelrayCane | September 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM

11:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waaandy Shanon says.....WaaaaaWaaaa

11:59 AM  
Blogger Gamal said...

GAME OVER!!! Remember, it is now over. Stop the whining (Shannon and whomever). I guess I’m too use to the old Miami Cane days. We did no whining or apologizing, for that matter, in those days. All this bitching over nothing is getting to be too much now! We lost already.

As a Canes fan, I admired Jimmy Johnson and hell even Steve Spurrier. In those days, you lined up against UM or UF, you know you’re going to get you’re a$$ kicked (score ran up, you name it). Especially if you don’t do what you’re suppose to do for ALL 60 minutes. Stopping them on defense or score on them on offense.

I’m sure there’s an example out there somewhere of teams coming back even down 3 touchdowns with only 3-5 minutes left. With that in mind, an offense has to keep trying to score or put the game out of reach. What exactly is “out of reach”, well that’s the gray area that is big time college football.

But I agree, if I were a coach I would not have Baby Jesus (Tebow) in the game at that point. That was Urban’s decision, so be it. We all have an opinion of what his intent was in doing so. Just speaks to why I don’t care for him as a coach. Spurrier was an a$$hole and didn’t care who knew it. You don’t like it, try and beat him. I personally, Hurricane and all, respect him for that. This Urban joke is just that. He reminds me so much of Dennis Erickson. Let me not even go there right now.

So the point is fudge it, a 1 point loss or 23 point loss shouldn’t matter to UM as it’s still our loss. It obviously matters to Urban. But he’s not our concern. Right now Texas A&M is. Our players know regardless of the score, they hung with the Gators. Take this new knowledge and confidence and go kick some A&M butt. Hell, run up the score if you wish as well. They need to STOP yoU.

As for Gutierrez, I mean come on, what the buck is he really doing writing for the Miami Herald. His coverage of our local teams just leaves one to wonder. Don’t get me wrong, be objective (which he’s not). If we suck, we suck. And if we’re good, we’re good. But he writes with such disdain for UM it’s not even funny. If he really wants to advance his career, move back to Gainesville and write for the Sun since they seem to love his articles so much.

Again, we’re getting real U characters/players back on the field. I am beyond impressed with Spence / Marve / Bailey / Forston / B. Harris. I doubt any of these guys can define excuse, much less make one. GO CANES!!!

12:36 PM  
Blogger furrer4heisman said...

im shocked no one has brought up the most important aspect of that field goal. the gators were 20.5 point favorites and the field goal was the difference between covering and not covering. with all the gambling scandals in college sports, im surprised no one has even broached the topic.

on a personal note, i would like to thank urban meyer for helping me win my bet on saturday. your decision to kick a field goal with under a minute left and cover the spread was the difference between ramen noodles and steak on monday.

12:37 PM  
Blogger MikeM said...

allCanes...what is your address? I want to send you some cheese.

12:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, this is off topic but I want to defend myself since this guy wants to fling insults.

"We did need the points when Ed Reed took off with the INT. They were about to score and take the lead you Tally Moron"

They cant score when we have the ball, and the lead with like 15 seconds left. the ball was intercepted by a DL and all he needed to do was sit on the ball. we didn't need the points all we needed was the ball. with a knee or two the game was over. What if Reed stripped the ball and lost it in the exchange neither of these guys carry the ball on a regular basis. BC gets the ball 1st and goal with time ticking down. I love that play cause it worked, it is probably my all time favorite moment from a regular season game. If the gamble didn't work and BC got the ball back because a Safety striped the ball from a DL Reed is a goat. style points is all that is. If you watch the game even the coaches are telling Reed to go down till he breaks free.

Cane in tally

1:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

The complaining about this is like when someone says "it's not about the money but..." You know it's always about the money. In this case it's not about Tebow being in the game - it's about the final score.

3:52 PM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Great article AC! You basically said what we're all thinking (like you normally do) so thanks for that!

On a side note why are there UF fans on this blog? Seriously, don't you guys anything better to do besides troll on a HURRICANE Blog? You guys are pathetic! How about you finally get out on your own and find a J-O-B instead of hitting up our blog. After UGA smashes you this year and your national title dreams are shattered, I guess it will be back to the drawing board. I hate UGA, but will officially be a fan the day they play UF. Keep in mind that you guys were suppose to BLOW US OUT.... 9-6 going into the 4th quarter from "little Miami" WOW! I guess we were ahead more then we thought. We're on our way back to top and will once again regain the title of "owning the state of Florida" once again. Don't let this 1 win go to far to your head, you guys are officially 1-6! Keep working! Once "superman" is gone, it will be back to being a doormat in the state of Florida :)

6:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What goes around comes around.In the Canes last trip to the swamp Dorsey throws a 19yd TD with 2:25 left and the Canes up by 18.Maybe they should have put in the second string and run it out.

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what ever what ever! that what I say, the game is over and yet the gators faithfuls still rant about their success on the field. The point is that Florida won, plain and simple, yeah they got their points on the bord and yes they are all that...what ever!Dont cry me a river when Georgia get another win in jacksonville and ironicly florida's kicker misses a key field goal! lol

7:24 PM  
Blogger MikeM said...

Isn't it great! Miami has progress so far that they have to HOPE that some other team does what it can't do.

4:42 AM  
Blogger Gamal said...

I think this point will close the debate and get us (the fans) to move on and focus on A&M. As again, I'm an old school Hurricane fan. When we're on top, we can run it up. But since we're in some down years, let's complain because someone can actually do it to us for a change. Just stop it, real CANES don't make excuses.

ANYWAY!!

I still think Urban Meyer has no class (for other reasons), but a book called "Turning the Thing Around", written by Jimmy Johnson about his coaching career in Dallas and of course at the "U" makes some profound statements.

Jimmy ran the score up often. As a matter of fact, he mentions several times in the book that football is a 60 minute game, not 59 minutes, not 59 and half minutes. To paraphrase a quote after he ran the score up on Arkansas something like 52-0..."Don't blame me if the other coach can't fiugre out how to stop our offense" This being written by one of the most dominant college football coaches ever, the one who brought swagger to the UM program.

How about the Cotton Bowl when we destroyed Texas 41-0? There are so many numerous examples of this in UM's history.

Let's not be ignorant of our own history. We can dish it out when we're on top, but need to learn to (temporarily) take it when we're down.

7:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My take is, it is what it is. Myth did what he did, and it's really not shocking considering the source. I honestly didn't really think about it much as it happened, but I did see Coach Shannon pissed off about it on the sidelines if you could read lips. Hopefully we just grow from this game, both as a staff and as players, and build from it. Hopefully we can do some more things against A&M and grow. I would think Young would have plenty of tape of the Aggies coming from Kansas. Let's hope the offense lets it loose a little more and take care of business next week against a team we should beat.
-Columbus Cane

9:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for me, I look forward to the next time we play the Ratlizzurds, preferably in a bowl, and the sooner the better. Even big victories over this bunch of S**T are never enough for me. I root for Miami and the team that is playing UFag on any given week. I'll even root for Notre Dame and Ohio State against them...and that's saying a lot because I hate those two teams with an almost equal fervor.

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Gatorpilot said...

Jesus, the whining is at an all-time high. I can't even bother to read all of this yacking. Shannon ran the score up on a helpless week one opponent and then talks some smack about Meyer for kicking a 4th-down field goal? This whole thing is hilarious.

Nice way to divert attention from the scoreboard, I guess.

2:57 PM  
Blogger G8rferbrainz said...

From my point of view, Shannon, Miami sportswriters, and talk show hosts did not want to let the late field goal go. Shannon made an issue about it and made it a question of Meyer's character. Florida fans, state media, along with the national media, decided to oblige their wishes and decided to take an honest look at Waaaahndi's comments.

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thought. Tim Tebow is a really big quarterback. You hear all the time that he is lifting the same or even more weight that the lineman. Has anyone ever asked the questions about Tim Tebow being on steroids??????

4:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Thought. Tim Tebow is a really big quarterback. You hear all the time that he is lifting the same or even more weight that the lineman. Has anyone ever asked the questions about Tim Tebow being on steroids??????"

Not likely to be true. Drug testing is much more stringent in college athletics than it is in the pros. Most of these guys don't start hitting the 'roids until they're in the League.

8:05 AM  
Blogger allCanes said...

Has anyone ever asked the questions about Tim Tebow being on steroids??????

I don't think Tebow is on 'roids.

I think he's just a big, cornfed, goofy, home-schooled, glorified fullback who can sometimes throw the ball.

8:11 AM  

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