Wednesday, May 06, 2009

Some "Meat" On Which To Feast...

Recruiting remains a topic no matter what time of year. What once dominated January and February, it's now a twelve-month long obligation.

Unlike the NFL, talent can pretty much overcome coaching in the college game - making recruiting all the more important.

The Miami Hurricanes fell off the map the latter part of this decade, due to poor recruiting and development of talent. If you follow this blog, you know where I stand on Larry Coker. His greatest weakness is proving to be Randy Shannon's strength; recruiting.

A lot of chatter occurs in the 'comments' section of this blog. I don't censor anybody who's not afraid to put their name with their thoughts. I even let a lot of 'Anonymous' stuff slide, as long as it's productive.

Everyone has an opinion about coaching, recruiting and the process. For those off base, I oft direct them to Bruce Feldman's "Meat Market : Inside The Smash-Mouth World Of College Football Recruiting".

Not enough college football fans have read that book and even based on my recommendation, I know most are too busy to heed the advice. Because of that, I'm going to occasionally post excerpts here. I want fans to compare the old coaching regime with the new. I want them to picture both coaching staffs recruiting -- the process, the attitude, the overall goal, the communication, the evaluation of talent.

And for my critics, yes I realize that Ed Orgeron, the former Ole Miss head coach, has since been fired. Doesn't mean he wasn't a solid recruiter and didn't have a game plan. Those in doubt, remember then when Tennessee starts reeling in solid classes with him as their line coach and recruiting coordinator.

You can also look at the Ole Miss team Houston Nutt took over in 2008. The one chock full of Orgeron's players that went 9-4 and knocked off Florida, LSU and Texas Tech. Proof that it takes recruiting and coaching, but that it all starts with talent.

Pay attention. Here's this week's passage:

Orgeron had been telling his staff since Day One that the evaluation process was always, always ongoing, but even he sometimes forgot his own edict about not falling in love too fast or writing someone off too quickly. Players the staff loved -- as well as ones they didn't -- were always up for discussion.

That also included committed players like (Robert) Elliott. Even though it was in Orgeron's nature to ride his initial reaction on a player, either good or bad, he knew he had to learn from past mistakes and go through the process as hard as he could, just like he preached.

"We need to crank this machine back up," he said before heading down the hall to grab a cup of coffee to top off the Red Bull.

The rest of the Ole Miss staff filed into the war room a few minutes before 8am for the Rebels' recruiting meeting. Orgeron reentered and circled around the table.

"I want these names to come
alive!" he boomed, pointing to the recruiting boards. "We gotta re-recruit. They are out there, and we can get them. We got Brent Schaffer here! We got Cordera Eason here! We got John Jerry! Those guys could've gone anywhere, but we got them to come here. This time last year, Marcus Tillman was committed to LSU, and he ended up coming here...

Oregon paused for a breath and a couple heartbeats, his words still hanging in the air as if afraid to leave the room. Then he wriggled his shoulders to shed some tension and brought his voice down a few decibels.

"I don't wanna be an a**hole about this," he said. This was obviously the part of the top job he hadn't fully adjusted to, the part where he had to squeeze his buddies. "But please, please don't think your s**t is so important you don't have to be out there recruiting. I'll take that as a dagger right here."

He smashed his thumb into his heart with such force you half expected to see blood spurt out. Yet this didn't qualify as a full-bore, gloves-off, "let-'em-hear-you-in-Baton-Rouge" Oregeron rant. His voice hadn't ascended to an indecipherable high-pitched shrill. His eyes had bulged out, but only slightly. His chin had stayed moored to his face.

Maybe Orgeron had toned down his standard stump speech down a bit because two former Miami assistants, (Art) Kehoe and (Dan) Werner, and soft-spoken linebackers coach David Saunders were new to his system.

Orgeron knew that Kehoe, a proud man who'd spent 27 years at Miami, was beloved by many of the high school coaches in the state of Florida and that he could do wonders for his young line on the practice field. But Orgeron also knew that the Canes didn't have to recruit very hard to stay on top. Blue-chippers sought them out. Orgeron didn't directly stare at Kehoe or Saunders, the man who'd introduced him to his wife, but it became obvious these two guys were the principal targets of his "We Gotta Do More!" speech.


Yeah, I'm sure that's just how Miami's war room sounded 2002-2006.

24 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't read Meat Market, but I think I need to.

Recruiting is a tired topic and I'm definitely sick of any Larry Coker talk, but your point is valid. Recruiting is an art form. You're either cut out for it or you're not.

Mr. Coker was in no, way, shape or form cut out to be a recruiting guru. He couldn't maintain, which is why Shannon has to rebuild.

9:13 PM  
Blogger allCanes said...

Thanks for the comment.

Contrary to unpopular belief, I too am sick of talking about Larry Coker. I long for the day the entire program is void of his fingerprints.

I first read "Meat Market" a few years back and it floored me. Not that Ed Orgeron was the be all/end all of recruiting... but I knew damn well LC wasn't running that type of ship.

The inability to prioritize the needs... the inability to land (or develop) a quality quarterback... the Antonie Smiths of the world who were defecting last minute... the lack of a recruiting coordinator (a job Lane Kiffin absolutely handpicked Orgeron to handle at Tennessee)...

Add it all up and it's no mystery the Canes are where they are.

I am not 100% sure Randy Shannon is 'the guy', but I believe he is and at minimum, he deserves 2 more recruiting classes before he is fully judged.

Miami needs to be a legitimate top five program by 2011. If not, I'll be off the Shannon bandwagon big time. Until then, I have his back.

9:21 PM  
Anonymous twentybinders said...

Kehoe.. Soft spoken

In the same sentence?

10:39 PM  
Blogger Donny said...

I actually finished Meat Market a couple of weeks ago. Definitely a well written book that gives a refreshing behind the scenes look. It reminds you that there is often a bigger picture to a recruiting class, and also many different levels on which to evaluate prospects (measurables, work ethic, potential, character, ability to qualify). My main problem with the book is in what's left out. First, you don't get to see a lot of the one-on-one interaction between coaches and recruits--Feldman talks about Orgeron's ability to close with recruits, but we never really see it. Even more, it would have been nice to see what the thrust of their recruiting pitch was, and how it changed based on each individual athlete. Second, is the difficult balancing act inherent in writing on this subject: to get enough access you need to focus on one particular program. Though Orgeron's program is a great example, it would have been nice to get a feel for how much of what went at Ole Miss holds true for the rest of college recruiting. Right off the bat, this is hard to compare to the Miami recruiting scene because Miami's tradition and the wealth of talent in their back yard gives them the luxury of giving out fewer offers to better quality prospects. The book is certainly a good starting point, but it seemed to whet my appetite more than satisfy it.

11:01 PM  
Blogger Luis said...

While i agree recruiting is important, i think we've been missing the boat on player development BIG TIME since butch's departure.

Everyone hates on coker, but he brought in some classes that ranked high (even though they were missing important pieces at times) .. we just never developed those guys to be anything special.

and while shannon has (some what) proven that he's a good recruiter i haven't seen anything in the player development category.. and IMO that's where we need to get MUCH better.

11:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not 100% sure Randy Shannon is 'the guy'...

If not, I'll be off the Shannon bandwagon big time. Until then, I have his back.


MAKE UP YOUR MIND BRO!

6:51 AM  
Blogger allCanes said...

I am not 100% sure Randy Shannon is 'the guy'...

If not, I'll be off the Shannon bandwagon big time. Until then, I have his back.

MAKE UP YOUR MIND BRO!


Don't take me out of context. Put the WHOLE quote there. I said if he doesn't HAVE IT TURNED AROUND BY 2011, WITH THE CANES BACK IN THE TOP FIVE, then I'm off the bandwagon.

I believe in Randy Shannon... but there's no way to be "100% sure" he's the guy until he proves it. Until he does (or doesn't), the only choice is to have faith... or bitch non-stop, like some others choose to.

As I've said before, whether someone likes or doesn't like Shannon - he's all Miami has. No one else wanted the job and no one else had the stones to roll up their sleeves and rebuild. Such was the case in 1995 when Butch got on board.

Randy came to the admin with a game plan and safe to say this was a five-year clean up project based on where things were at. We're now entering year three. If Miami isn't "back" by 2011, safe to say the plan failed..... BRO!

7:23 AM  
Blogger J'can Cane Gamal said...

This is worth mentioning and then I personally (hopefully all of us) will drop the Larry Coker talk.

The Larry Coker Era (2001-2006)

On January 29, 2001, Butch Davis abruptly left Miami to take a head coaching job with the Cleveland Browns. Rumors circulated that Barry Alvarez, the head coach at Wisconsin, was the leading candidate because of his ties to newly-appointed University of Miami president Donna Shalala. After a few days, however, Alvarez turned down the job. In the meantime, several Miami players lobbied athletic director Paul Dee on behalf of offensive coordinator Larry Coker. After unsuccessfully trying to lure Miami Dolphins head coach Dave Wannstedt, Dee promoted Coker to the position of head coach.
With that said, he was the best "cruise control" option to drive the UM machine to that 2001 Championship. Hell any coach on the staff could have kept things in cruise control with that team.

The '02 Championship (referee decision aside, as it shouldn't have come down to that) proved to me he didn't know how to coach and wasn't a long term fit for head coach. The idiot Paul Dee didn't see it that way offering him an extension way to early. And the rest as they say is history.

Had Alvarez taken the job, I strongly believe the outcome would have been very different.

So in Randy we all trust (for now). By 2011, the program will have his footprint on it from top to bottom. No more Larry Coker excuses left in the cupboard. Any failure or success will rest squarely on his shoulders.

All true Canes fans hope for success. Go Canes!!!

8:09 AM  
Blogger allCanes said...

J'Cane.... Glad you bring that up.

I didn't have issue with Coker being a "quick fix" answer to the 2001 season. Despite the fact he almost choked away a shot at the title game with arguably the most talented team ever - he was still good for the continuity of the program that year and in the end, Miami won it all. Respect.

Like you, I saw in '02 that he was struggling and the team was bailing him out. A close call against Rutgers when you're #1 in the land? (Granted Miami pulled it out, but trailing 17-14 in the fourth quarter?) A close call against an average Pitt team? Not to mention the blank stare we saw from the sidelines the entire time against Ohio State.

A year later a 31-7 beatdown at Virginia Tech, followed by a 10-6 loss to Tennessee.

The admin should've seen the writing on the wall around 2004 after 9-3 and Dee was an idiot to give him a contract extension before the season opener in 2005. Bad business and bad instincts.

I know I'm beating a dead horse at times... but the more recruiting chatter I see, the more I feel the need to defend these points.

8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I've said before, I get ito recruiting because it's another avenue to compete against other teams, despite the hit/miss nature of it. I want Miami to get their share of great players and I just like to follow to see who will be future Canes, future Trojans, etc. I'm not going to bash anyone today. I want the best for Miami in all areas. One thing I will say is that we have under-utilized TE's pretty much since Winslow left and we've gone dry in getting impact TE's because of it. I hope we begin to re-insert the TE into our gameplans, as that was a huge diference between us and other teams. Shannon has been doing a great job in getting the talent back in Coral Gables, and we need to develop them.
-Columbus Cane

11:11 AM  
Blogger allCanes said...

Columbus -- Development is the most important part. Agreed.

My knock on Coker was the overall mindset regarding recruitment, development of talent, creating competition, etc. His whole overall agenda just seemed off.

Randy seems to be in the Butch and JJ mold of (1) recruiting not just top flight talent, but those special under the radar kids that Miami always thrived on, (2) developing that talent while promoting competition and (3) stockpiling depth -- especially at key positions like defensive line, linebacker, wide receiver, running backs, etc.

People can knock Shannon for not delivering yet... but at least you can see the game plan and where he's aiming to go with thing. It's JJ's model which he learned from the master himself, as well as when he worked for Butch.

12:34 PM  
Anonymous SebastianDaIbis said...

A big factor in developing our talent is getting depth..I know i`ve beaten this to death as well..It can make you better to be pushed and to be fresh..I try to avoid mentioning the other coach..It just gets my blood boiling..My old fat azz cant take a blast to the ticker for that...I`ll take my chances of that happening during a game..RS has a long-time success plan in place..I think deep down we all knew it wasnt going to be easy..

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

happy 7 de mayo!...that only means,
exactly 4 months till we BEAT DOWN the noles...BRO!

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

305, preach on brotha!

As long as our Canes are struggling and paying for Larry Coker's sins, you can't trash that dude enough.

Like Alec Baldwin says in GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS -- "Nice guy? I don't give a s**t. Good father? F**k you. Go home and play with your kids."

Coker can never be trashed enough, in my opinion. Until all his kids are off this team, I will continue to bitch and blame.

10:09 PM  
Blogger RONALD said...

That war room was like his character, jovial and hushed. And Choker probably ended each session with a few hand claps and a "we'll get 'em next time fellas !"

big pimpin

5:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Lord that makes me sick.

The Ed Orgerons of the world we're out there recruiting their tails off while Country Club Larry was fat, happy and in over his head at Miami.

I really think the old man was just so happy to be the Canes head coach that he didn't even really realize how big the situation was.

I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall in those Miami war room sessions a few years back. What a joke that must've been.

Good riddance Lawrence and to hell with all the critics around here who don't want to hear otherwise.

2:09 PM  
Anonymous SebastianDaIbis said...

How many in home visits does a head coach get per recruit??Or for that matter does he even get any?? I know I seem naive on this matter but I thought before I popped off about anything I would find out for sure..The reason being is that I wonder if the old coach ever went into some of the areas of the 305 that some of these kids come from..Is that what separated him so far with local coaches and talent??

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Laron Byrd #1 Fan said...

Cokers recruiting classes were overrated. I know he brought in many five stars that eventually became flops, but were did those players come from?
lance leggett-texas
tyler mcmeans-pennsulvania
youngblood- texas
kyle wright-california

Do you see any pattern? All flops come from out of state. Coker could not recruit local stars and settled for the big names from out of state. Im not saying all out of state prospects will flop but would you ratter have a five star from Texas, Cali or Florida?

Butch recruited local stars and so does Shannon. The in state players have turned to perform well.

Who was the last five star flop from the state of florida that came to Miami? (Willie W. does not count cause he had like 20 arrests in high school but Coker did not seem to care)

3:17 PM  
Blogger Luis said...

UT and USC struggle with stars from texas and california.

4:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

U GUYS DONT NEVER KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.U ALWAYS SAY THE SAME THINGS ABOUT NOTHING. WHY DO U WASTE YOURE TIME WRITTING ABOUT STUPID STUFF?

WHATEVER MAN.

GO CANES OF MIAMI! FCUK THE REST...PEACE!

9:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment is from BZCANES in Tampa.
I didn't know the book existed, but I'm on Amazon right now to check it out. Thanks allcanes-

Orgeron is unique, and I don't think you have to have that crazy intenseness to be a successful recruiter (especially @ Miami). I do think you need a couple of those go getting, high energy, intense guys on staff, but the head coach can succeed with Larry's mild mannered approach. He was a "players coach" supposedly.

I may be wrong on Dennis Erickson (who at times was a nutbag) but he wasn't exactly in the same mold as Orgeron.

Bobby Bowden has a lot of great recruiters on staff, but he was known as one of the great recruiting closers a decade ago.

Larry's biggest flaw in recruiting was that he forgot about the importance of SOUTH FLORIDA!!

I don't know what the hell his philosphy was, but I do know we lost our stranglehold on our turf.

There is enough talent in Miami and South Florida to compete year in and year out. This has worked for every successful coach Miami has ever had since Howard S.
How Coker forgot that is amazingly unacceptable.

I met Coker at the Butch Davis Football Samp in the summer of 1999; I was 17 years old, and I could've told you then that he was not supposed to ever be a head coach. he was a nice old man--good football mind, but not a head coach.

He forgot the most important facet of recruiting for the U. It is, and has been keeping the Miami boys..Miami boys.

Maybe he tried, and just didn't click with those guys. I doubt it though. How hard would it be to recruit coming off of 34 straight wins, and what should've been 3 straight titles.
People talk about the Ohio State game, but our biggest screwing came in 2000.

Whatever Coker did was just wrong; philosophy, intensity, discipline, everything.

Focus on local talent, instill discipline, and win championships.

Easier said than done, but Davis left Coker a blue print on how to succeed. For some reason he ignored it.

Shannon has the first 2 steps in place. Great talent, and outstanding discipline.

As long as we stay disciplined, a title is in the very near future.

Shannon has accomplished the EXACT same thing Davis did after year 1 and 2.
Remember that when you judge Randy--just compare what he's doing to what Butch did.
We gave Butch time (maybe because he came in during probation).
I think Randy deserves that same amount of time.
The comparison is valid---look at all aspects of the program and compare what he's doing compared to previous coach, and where the program is talent wise, with off the field issues, etc.

Eerily similar

10:34 AM  
Blogger allCanes said...

Do you see any pattern? All flops come from out of state. Coker could not recruit local stars and settled for the big names from out of state. Im not saying all out of state prospects will flop but would you ratter have a five star from Texas, Cali or Florida?

Butch recruited local stars and so does Shannon. The in state players have turned to perform well.


Well said Byrd Fan. A bit more eloquent and logical than our Anonymous poster and his, "U don't know nuthin' bout nuthin, F the rest" superfan rant.

Hey Anonymous, if you don't like it... don't read it.

10:57 AM  
Blogger allCanes said...

I met Coker at the Butch Davis Football Samp in the summer of 1999; I was 17 years old, and I could've told you then that he was not supposed to ever be a head coach. he was a nice old man--good football mind, but not a head coach.

He forgot the most important facet of recruiting for the U. It is, and has been keeping the Miami boys..Miami boys.

Maybe he tried, and just didn't click with those guys. I doubt it though. How hard would it be to recruit coming off of 34 straight wins, and what should've been 3 straight titles.
People talk about the Ohio State game, but our biggest screwing came in 2000.

Whatever Coker did was just wrong; philosophy, intensity, discipline, everything.

Focus on local talent, instill discipline, and win championships.

Easier said than done, but Davis left Coker a blue print on how to succeed. For some reason he ignored it.

Shannon has the first 2 steps in place. Great talent, and outstanding discipline.

As long as we stay disciplined, a title is in the very near future.



BZCANES - Great post. One of the best I've read on here to day. You nailed it.

Coker never had "it". Butch left a blueprint, Larry ignored it. Shannon is following what Butch taught him - which they both learned from Jimmy J.

There is a formula to succeeding at Miami. Larry never got 'it' but Randy does. Give him time and this thing turns back around.

11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks allcanes--BZCANES here again. Looks like I need to sac up and become a member. I think I've asked in the past, but what do I need to do?

I'm supposed to be working right now, but I always check out the blog on Monday. Gives me something to look forward to on an otherwise very busy day.

Keeping guys out of trouble is extremely underrated; especially at Miami where the media blows even the slightest incidents out of proportion. As a loyal lifetime fan I've been through the highs and lows like the other diehards, but it feels great to say I'm proud of our guys off the field, and in the class room.

Don't get me wrong-I'd rather win and have a few issues here or there, but the 2 live crew days of college football are gone. Not just @ Miami, but everywhere. With 24 hour access to every story, you can't even miss court without hundreds of people blogging about it.

Shannon has showed no favoritism when it comes to discipline. Even our starting QB was not given a pass. Football is a game of discipline. I was fortunate enough to end up playing at the highest level possible, and I know.

It doesn't start with knowing your assignments, and football in general. It starts with a mindset. That you need to do everything right, all the time, with NO exceptions. That mindset transfers to football. There are talented teams that have many off the field issues and still win. But I'm much more confident our guys are focused on next season when I don't see guys showing up in the police report.

We're talking about 100 guys ages 18-22 in Miami with all the distractions in the world. The fact that they are keeping their noses clean means a lot in terms of their mindset, and t means a lot to me...the fan.
That all starts with Shannon! He stressed discipline from day 1.
Same thing Butch came in and said even though he had to considering our past history when he arrived.

Still--Randy Shannon has set a great tone for his coaching career. Parents of recruits see that. Recruits see that.

Doing things the right way isn't easy and it sometimes takes longer to see the fruit of your work.

When it all comes together though (2000-2002) it's a beautiful thing to see.

That is the ceiling and the aiming point for our program, or should be.
Except the next time instead of 1 title, and 2 near misses----we have the ability to get 3 or 4 in a row.

Maybe that's a pipe dream, but i was a fan from 91 until 01 and my vision remained the same. I wanted to see a team that was better than the ruthless posse & Gino. I got to see that in 2000--first hand in New Orleans @ the Sugar Bowl. (personally I think that was the most talented team ever by years end) Then the championship year; followed by another great run.

To think we can't top those 3 years is wrong, but it's not going to come easy & won't happen overnight.

I think Randy has the potential to get us there, and the best thing about that is I don't think Randy would leave once he's on the mountain top like Davis did.

I wonder where we would be now if Davis was still in Coral Gables?

Randy is a Miami guy through and through---and could be that long term program defining coach.

He's got to earn it & build it---but the foundation is nearly complete. My whole theory could be thrown out if we come out and lay an egg on labor day.

But because of FSU's constant distractions, and off the field incident after incident--small or large; that stuff effects gameday in September.

I feel uncomfortably confident about the season opener. I hope my instincts are right and we don't just win, but send a message!

12:18 PM  

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